Episode 11

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26th Mar 2025

The Missing Skill in Design? Tim Perry on Why Commercial Awareness Matters

In this live episode of Why Design, recorded at Blue Garage, I sit down with Tim Perry, a seasoned innovation and design strategy consultant with over 20 years of experience helping creative businesses sharpen their commercial edge.

From scaling consultancies and steering agency acquisitions to guiding in-house teams at major brands like Nokia, McLaren, and Logitech, Tim shares his unique perspective on the intersection of design and business.


We explore why designers and design consultancies often overlook commercial awareness, how consultancies can rethink their positioning in a crowded marketplace, and why commercial skills should be developed just as early as creative ones.


Tim also talks about the common challenges agencies face around business development, the tricky art of saying โ€œno,โ€ and why sometimes less is more when selling your services.


If youโ€™re a designer, consultancy owner, or anyone working at the crossover of creativity and commerce, thereโ€™s plenty of actionable advice here.


Key Takeaways:

๐Ÿ”น From Designer to Strategist โ€“ How Tim transitioned from packaging design to leading agency growth and design strategy at Nokia and beyond.


๐Ÿ”น Lessons from Scaling & Selling โ€“ Insights from scaling Web deVlam and overseeing its sale.


๐Ÿ”น The Positioning Problem โ€“ Why agencies often dilute their message by trying to be everything to everyone.


๐Ÿ”น Specialism vs. Niche โ€“ Why focusing your positioning is key, but you can still take on a variety of work.


๐Ÿ”น Building Commercial Confidence โ€“ How designers can develop business development and negotiation skills early in their careers.


๐Ÿ”น The Power of Networking โ€“ Timโ€™s take on why generosity and curiosity are vital in client-facing roles.


๐Ÿ”น The LinkedIn Effect โ€“ How LinkedIn can help creatives spark conversations and create business opportunitiesโ€”when used with authenticity.


๐Ÿ”น Negotiation Lessons โ€“ Timโ€™s real-world story of a high-stakes negotiation that almost went wrong, and what it taught him about holding your ground.

Resources & Links:

๐ŸŒ Connect with Tim Perry on LinkedIn


๐ŸŽฏ Check out Timโ€™s Commercial Skills Training (includes free sample courses)


๐ŸŽ™๏ธ Learn more about Blue Garage โ€“ A creative community space in Lewisham, London.

๐Ÿ‘ฅ Join the Why Design community! Sign up for upcoming events, online huddles, and workshops: teamkodu.com/events


๐Ÿ”— Follow Chris Whyte on LinkedIn โ€“ linkedin.com/in/mrchriswhyte


๐ŸŽง Listen to Why Design on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, and Amazon Music. Donโ€™t forget to subscribe so you donโ€™t miss future episodes!

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About the Podcast

WHY DESIGN?
For people interested in physical product design and development
Why Design is a podcast exploring the stories behind hardware and physical product development. Hosted by Chris Whyte, founder of Kodu, the show dives into the journeys of founders, senior design leaders, and engineers shaping people and planet-friendly products.

Formerly "The Design Journeys Podcast", each episode uncovers pivotal career moments, lessons learned, and behind-the-scenes insights from industry experts. Whether youโ€™re a designer, engineer, or simply curious about how great hardware products come to life, Why Design offers real stories, actionable advice, and inspiration for anyone passionate about design and innovation.

Join us as we listen, learn, and connect through the stories that define the world of physical product development.

About your host

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Chris Whyte

Hi, I'm your host of Why Design? (Formerly "The Design Journeys Podcast")

I'm also the founder of Kodu - a specialist recruitment consultancy focused exclusively on physical product development. It's the people who I've met in my years in the industry that inspired me to start this podcast.

When I'm not hosting the podcast, I help physical product brands, start-ups and design consultancies identify, attract and hire the best product design & engineering talent ahead of their competitors, across the USA, UK and Europe ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ

I focus exclusively on ๐ฉ๐ก๐ฒ๐ฌ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐๐ฎ๐œ๐ญ ๐๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ฅ๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ (๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ฑ๐˜ฑ๐˜ด!)

๐ƒ๐ž๐ฌ๐ข๐ ๐ง & ๐ƒ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ฅ๐จ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ ๐‹๐ž๐š๐๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ:
โœ… Do you have high growth plans for your physical product development and engineering division?
โœ… Would you like to engage with and source those hard-to-find Design Engineers and Industrial Designers?
โœ… Are you spending too much time in the hiring process only to find that the talent doesn't match your expectations?

๐ƒ๐ž๐ฌ๐ข๐ ๐ง ๐„๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ, ๐Œ๐ž๐œ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ ๐„๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ˆ๐ง๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐ข๐š๐ฅ ๐ƒ๐ž๐ฌ๐ข๐ ๐ง๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ:
โœ… Are you interested in joining an exciting start-up, design consultancy or technology brand?
โœ… Interested in honest, transparent advice as to which companies would be the best fit for you?

If you agree with any of the above, I know how you feel as I deal with people just like you every day.

I have successfully placed hundreds of design engineers, industrial designers, managers and directors into some of the world's most exciting technology brands, start-ups and consultancies.

My clients tell me they work with me because:

โญ I focus on long-term relationship building, not transactions
โญ I speak their language and understand their businesses and job roles
โญ Iโ€™m professional, yet friendly and very approachable
โญ My robust process significantly reduces time-to-hire

Iโ€™ve worked within consumer electronics, homewares, kitchen appliances, e-bikes, medical devices, gaming controllers, furniture, life-sciences, audio-equipment, vacuum cleaners and more!

Typically, I recruit the following roles:
๐Ÿ’ก VP Engineering
๐Ÿ’ก Engineering Director
๐Ÿ’ก Design Manager
๐Ÿ’ก Industrial Designer
๐Ÿ’ก Product Designer (products not apps!)
๐Ÿ’ก Product Design Engineer
๐Ÿ’ก Mechanical Design Engineer
๐Ÿ’ก Mechanical Engineer

Outside of work, I'm a wannabe rock star and a father to two teenagers. I support Manchester United and I'm terrible at FIFA/FC24 ๐Ÿค“

If you want to talk about my work or anything else, message me on here and I'll respond as soon as I can. Or you can reach me via:

chris@teamkodu.com

UK: +44 7538 928 518
US: +1 862 298 5088